That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

topic posted Mon, January 7, 2008 - 7:38 PM by  Ted
That evil bastard just led police to that young woman's body. I realize this situation is very rare, but I imagine a lot of us are thinking about how we would handle personal safety out in the woods. I go backpacking alone plenty of times, but I'm a 200-lb male. What do you think? Do stories like this make you feel any less safe in the woods? Do you think about that when you're out on the trail? How much do you trust strangers in the backcountry?
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  • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

    Mon, January 7, 2008 - 10:20 PM
    For one I can't help but feel that little bit of shame being a man. But these people are insane. I just cannot believe a sane person could do something like this. I backpack almost always solo also and have thought about this so many times - would I be doing this if I were female? But what I have read is that no murders have been committed more than 1/2 from park and forest boundaries or trailheads - I wonder if this is true at all and how far this particular murder happened from a trailhead? If this is true then these killers are not only insane, they are lazy and most importantly, they are not hikers or backpackers. I never feel threatened in the woods - unless in grizzly country - but I would not camp too close to the road - car camping makes me nervous. Sadly, others humans are now and have been for sometime our greatest enemies, save for parasites.
    • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

      Tue, January 8, 2008 - 3:26 AM
      Its a very sad & sick thing to be hunted ... I also tab it mono,in the bush but backparkers have been victims to sickpricks in Australian state forest if I drive in, itS at night before first light my blue truck turns green and I string the area with black cotton. Hunters have always been great but I say theres be a few that Ive tab A Box round and let them be. I what Im really tring to say is these amazing areas In alot of parts of the world are quasi of city life, natures still free. Animals (wild life have the right to munch on us ) they cop it far harder tring to stay one stepa head at the best of times..

      Lets watch ones back now..where ever you are ( and I did say yesterday " lazy eyes kill" it wasnt in this context ) trust is all to easy aslo
  • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

    Tue, January 8, 2008 - 6:04 AM
    This is such a tragedy...

    This crime took place not far from my home so you can imagine the news coverage here.

    Blood Mountain is a popular day hike for many, and as such its trailhead parking lot is easily accessible by anyone, including those (thankfully) rare individuals with ulterior motives. This person is also thought to be connected with the deaths of two elderly hikers in Pisgah Forest, NC, and was known to "hang out" at urban parks in the Atlanta area.

    Having a wife, two adult daughters, and sister (plus other female friends) all of whom love the outdoors and the self-propelled "gravity sports" , it infuriates me to know that they cannot safely pursue solo the same activities that I can.

    I'm not too concerned with things in the backcountry; most weirdness takes place near the accessible trailheads, in my opinion.

    • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

      Tue, January 8, 2008 - 6:56 AM
      I also have a child and when some thing happens so close to home and you get your worst fears felt. Im sorry to hear Its happened in your neck of the wood ((Dusty feats)). It makes you not look at the place where such things happen in the same light ever again.
      Nature is a place that should bring people back regardless of the unforeseen , murder puts a bad taste there.
      I hope your community heals as most people feel in these horrid moments when it happens in there area that talk is of what happened,But show the children how great nature is and i know this stick in people heads for a time. *Try change the fear and talk about how lovely the place is People harbour FEAR*. I Know what its like first hand ,the moment the area cooled of take your Family show them its safe.
  • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

    Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:29 PM
    "Evil bastard" is an understatement IMHO. I hope they convict him rapidly and punish him to the fullest extent of the law.

    I backpack solo from time to time and once I'm a mile or two from the trailhead I never worry about anything more pressing than keeping my food safe from animals and watching where I step. Personal safety from attack is not much of a consideration even when I'm hiking in areas hunters frequent. Still, I am wary around trailheads, especially the more accessible ones, or if they have shards of broken auto glass, graffiti, or other evidence of criminal behavior.

    And yes, these sorts of stories make me feel just a little less secure, but, like other hazzards of the wild, I take them in stride. I have met some rather strange individuals in the backcountry over the years but mostly the eccentric type and I did not feel threatened. In general, I'm still a trusting individual and will strike up a conversation with folks I meet on the trail despite growing up in a rather rough neighborhood where crime was rampant.

    All I can stress here is that there is safety in numbers, body mass, and gender if you are a male. The buddy system not only works while scuba diving, but also on the trails.
    • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

      Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:26 PM
      Hear, here for a speedy and punishing trial for the perp.

      After an incident ~10 years ago car camping @ Mt. Pacifico (my fav car camp spot when I lived in smelLA)...

      My then dog Odis and I were camped alone at the summit CG, enjoying the view. I was the only human on the summit all day. Evening starts to roll around, this creeper (for loss of better words) in a 4x4 drove up and proceeded to try and befriend me. Attempting to convince me to go for a ride with him in his 4x4 truck. Needles to say I declined, several times. After a couple hours of this he gave up and left. I'm sure it was his vehicle that rolled through the CG later that night when I was in my tent.

      I'm a smaller male and felt threatened by this man, he seemed off, creepy. My dog Odis was very leery of this man and growled at him several times. I think that's what deterred that man from any further actions.

      Since then, when solo car camping with dogs, I always bring an extra chair or two and gear to give the appearance that I'm not alone.

      Like Widget said, once a couple miles from the trail head I feel safer from the human preditors.
      • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

        Tue, January 8, 2008 - 7:08 PM
        I'm a country boy by nature...
        but I'm a cityslicker now.

        In the city I am aware at ALL times of my surroundings. One reason I go to the wilderness is to let down my guard...
        and just be.

        Unfortunately, this guy makes it a little harder to do so.
        I've met rude people before...
        but that's as far as it went... a couple of rednecks drinking themselves into oblivion in a campground (a few times).

        the 4x4 story is creepy...
        • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

          Tue, January 8, 2008 - 11:59 PM
          Last year on my PCT hike I was just pass the 10 fwy when I encountered a group of men with rifles and handguns in a pickup truck. I waved as they drove by and they shouted "F- OFF HIPPY" as I walked by. Hoping that I would not see them again. I did in fact see them as I rounded the next corner. They unloaded their weapons and began to fire in my direction. Mind you they weren't firing "at" me, just in my direction, using a large berm behind me as a backstop. Knowing that they were just trying to scare me (but fearful that would accidentally hit me) I continued walking to 30 or so feet towards cover and concealment where I would no longer be a target (accidental or otherwise). Once out of their sight, I began to move quickly and frequently looked back to see if I was being followed ( I wasn't).


          Another, even more hair raising story (again on the PCT), I stopped to camp for the night near Silverwood Lake. As the sun was setting a car stopped up on the highway, approximately 100 yards above where I was camped. The car waited until the sun had completely set and several men the exited the car, which then quickly left the scene with it's lights off. Then men (I think there were 3 of them) descended down the steep hill side towards my position with flashlights. I quietly moved behind a rock where I could watch them but not be easily spotted. They were still probably 50 yards away, and I couldn't see much more than their flashlight beams, and could hear their voices, but was unable to hear what they were saying. Several times they shined their light on the rock that I was hiding behind, but I was pretty sure they had no idea I was there, but rather they were just scanning the area.

          After an hour or so they made their way to the top of the hill, and flashed their lights on the surrounding hillsides, 5 minutes later the car returned for them and they left.

          It was a restless night, and in the morning I considered walking up the place where the men had been the previous night. In the light however, it was clear that it was too steep for me to access from my position. I continued on the trail, which wrapped around the lake, and after 2 hours of hiking I was somewhat near to the road where I was the previous night.

          I then saw a park ranger who I flagged down. I explained my story to him, and I think he thought I was bat shit crazy, but I drew a map and wrote down all the notes I had taken including times, and everything else.

          I checked the news online for that area and never read anything, so who the hell knows what the guys were doing out there.

          Ok, so all that said, every other experience has been nothing but positive, even these two negatives happened within walking distance of civilization, I've been beaten and stabbed in the city, had my house broken in to, car stolen, etc. I'll take the wilderness any day.
          • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

            Wed, January 9, 2008 - 2:06 PM
            I've always felt that the further you are away from the trailheads, the safer it is.


            (Why can't the mountain lions go after the scummy people like that?)


            (They probably taste bad.)
            • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

              Wed, January 9, 2008 - 3:15 PM
              I have gone on several multi day backpacking trips on my own, and will continue to do so. What happened is sad, scary and maddening, but I still feel much safer backpacking alone than in many other day to day circumstances. I will not allow this incident to discourage me from doing what I love to do. Hell, even walking or riding home at night after work is scarier than backpacking alone for me. I still do it though (walk or ride at night).

              I have found that when men realize I am in the wilderness alone and I am so comfortable with it they seem to have a lot of respect for that and never bother me (are you alone? you are not scared? I would be scared! ) Scared of what? it is interesting that men are scared of bears and mountian lions, and ghosts or whatever....women, we are just scared of men. If there is anything to be scared of it is men indeed (yes, I have had several bear encounters). The deeper you go into the wilderness, the less men you find, so the less scary it is. I agree that areas near trail heads are more dangerous, so I tend to keep to myself in semi civilized areas and do become more vigilant and aware of my surroundings.
              • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

                Wed, January 9, 2008 - 11:18 PM
                I usually carry my Ruger Blackhawk when I am out (except when I'm in a restricted forest-and even then...) At minimum I carry a large knife. I don't believe in shooting in the wilderness, it's rude and uncouth. If you want to shoot guns then go to a range, if you want to enjoy the serene beauty of nature then go to the mountains.

                A lot of folks favor gun control, but I'd like to see these people walk through a shitty part of town wearing a gun control T-shirt.
  • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

    Thu, January 10, 2008 - 11:31 AM
    wanted to reply to a couple of things here, particularly as one of the few women in this thread :)

    > re: D's comment: "I can't help but feel that little bit of shame being a man"
    there's no need to feel ashamed to be a man. If you happen to also be a psychopathic killer, then yes, you should feel shame. ;)

    > re: Dusty Feat's comment: "it infuriates me to know that they cannot safely pursue solo the same activities that I can."
    Women *can* pursue the same activities -- there's no need to lock up the women -- but as you said they cannot necessarily do it with the same level of *safety*. A different set of guidelines is needed for females in some cases, a heightened sense of awareness, and an adjustment of behavior. This is partly because there are people out there who will always view women as an easy target (even without the issue of sexual asault) simply because we are physically smaller. This is worsened by the social training that women should always be polite. So when a creepy situation does arrive a woman is more likely to be softer and less firm in her response, which comes across as a green light for easly victim. Teach your daughters what being polite really means (please and thank you, not invade my space and ignore my boundaries), teach them that being physical and strong doesn't make them less feminine, teach them to be self-sufficient and aware. That opens a lot more doors then teaching them they aren't safe without a man. :)

    I hate to agree with Cabrita's statement: "men are scared of bears and mountian lions, and ghosts or whatever....women, we are just scared of men."... but, well, yeah. :)
    Encountering an animal is hair-raising but generally they are just as disturbed by a human presence, want away from you, and their actions are generally predicable. There are guidelines you can follow to extricate yourself safely. Whereas people are unpredictable, both in their intent and their level of violence. People are also much less likely to want to hang you upside down in a meat locker while using your severed head as a table centerpiece. ;)

    Finally, as far as safety goes I really don't think this is the kind of thing one can plan for. This wasn't the usual kind of person-to-person problem one encounters. While some people may want to give you a hard time, scare you, or intimidate you they aren't likely to want to kidnap you, kill you, then decapitate you. This isn't the normal assault report, we're talking about someone who is clearly completely derranged. There really isn't much one can do to protect themselves from that since such attackers are skilled at manipulation and abduction. And such attacks can happen anywhere, not specifically hiking trails. To me that is the real safety lesson here: don't assume that country-like environments are any more safe than sub/urban ones.

    from one of the articles:
    "Emerson's roommate, described her as an experienced hiker who has a blue belt in martial arts. Other friends said she was familiar with the trail near where her car was found, having jogged on it several times with a partner"

    ...ok so the victim was 1) an experienced hiker, 2) knew the trail well, and 3) had some degree of self-defense skills. Really, a single hiker (even a woman) could not be much more prepared.
    • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

      Thu, January 10, 2008 - 3:01 PM
      Thanks for the comments on my post. The key to what I was saying (or trying to say) was: *safely* pursue *solo* the same activities I can."

      My real-world path to that statement: 1. My wife was followed by a pickup truck with a creepy & sketchy guy commenting on her "style and fitness" to her for a mile or so as she jogged along a beautiful, but lonely country road. 2. My sister out on a jog in a more urban area -- a vehicle seemed to follow her then passed on by. At her turn around spot she sees this vehicle parked and among the nearby trees stands this guy pantless and with his shirt pulled over his head. 3. A good friend jogging along a rural backroad not all that far from her home (long distance runner in training). Several vermin in a truck follow her and in no uncertain terms say what they'd like to do.

      Real world stuff... and frightful for them.

      Yet, I've never been hassled in any way, and I'm out solo a lot, often hitching shuttles to trailheads or river put-ins as well as doing dayhikes and joging the backroads. It shouldn't be this way... but it is.

      Back to the Georgia hiker: The killer is quite possibly a serial killer; the authorities are now looking into his possible connections to five other murders.




      • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

        Thu, January 10, 2008 - 4:27 PM
        Dusty Feats,
        jeebus, where do you live? ;) like, Creepy Pickup Trucks Following Joggers Land? dear lord. frightful indeed. I lived in NYC for a decade and didn't have to deal with that much crap.

        and yes I agree, we were both commenting on the safety of solo activities being different for women. :) it's mostly a time and place thing. there are some areas I'll comfortably go solo, others where I'll plan carefully if I do, and some I just avoid.

        to your stories: that's partly why pepper spray or a club (nightstick) are handy when jogging. as is a cell phone (to call for assistance). a friend in college used to jog with her fist around her key ring and the keys sticking out between her fingers: like pointy brass knuckles.

        I think most of the creepies are just looking for a power trip so turning around and screaming at them in banshee-like volume will often cause them to just leave. They don't want confrontation and they don't even really want to do half the things they say -- they just get off knowing that they're making some "poor little thing" uncomfortable and scared. They try to isolate someone and then take advantage of the situation knowing there's 1) no where else for the woman to go and 2) no one else is there to witness their bad behavior. Basically, they're only enjoying it for as long as the women displays that she's feeling victimized and nervous.

        The other, smaller group of creepies is looking for someone to harm. Many of them can be scared off by facing them, standing ground, looking agressive or just difficult. They want an easy prey and will move on to someone else if they think the woman is going to be a challenge. The other smaller portion are actually mentally ill and shouldn't be engaged at all. But really, there's not much you can do about those people except pray you don't encounter them.

        But all that does leave a large portion of the creepy folks than can be dealt with safely and trouble avoided. :) In other words it doesn't mean those situations aren't scary when they happen, but that the woman can often turn the tables on the power issue and avoid being hassled further.
        • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

          Fri, January 11, 2008 - 2:58 PM
          Ms. Dynomite scribed: "jeebus, where do you live? ;) like, Creepy Pickup... "

          No, no! Those incidents happened miles and years apart.

          Although we're speaking of the safety dilemma women often face when going solo (as per the initial post and the female hiker), I must add that children and the elderly are also vulnerable to the twisted male predatory types, it's just rarer for them to be out solo.

          This young lady was 24 years old. We have one daughter who is 24 years old and another who is 26... I can't begin to fathom the pain the family of the hiker is now going through....

          Man, I need to go to a happy place right now! This whole thing is dragging me down!



  • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

    Thu, January 10, 2008 - 5:11 PM
    Yeah, it can be scary. I think it's cool that some men "get" how difficult it can be. I feel safest when I am absolutely alone and there is no one around. I've done most of my solo hiking with my dog who has passed on to the great hike in the sky. I'm not sure what it will be like to hike without her.
    • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

      Thu, January 10, 2008 - 10:21 PM
      Carry a gun, be proficient with it.
      • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

        Fri, January 11, 2008 - 9:21 PM
        Carry a gun, be proficient with it.>>>
        Sorry.
        Can't concur with you there Adam...
        I think a gun is a bad thing to take backpacking.

        Pepper spray maybe.
        (effective w/ bears and people)
        Gun... NO.
        • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

          Sat, January 12, 2008 - 7:51 PM
          Just wondering...what is it about backpacking that makes it a bad thing? I can see why maybe taking it to the PTA meeting might be an issue... but is it guns in general or being in wilderness?
          • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

            Sun, January 13, 2008 - 1:34 PM
            Just wondering...what is it about backpacking that makes it a bad thing?>>>>
            Generally speaking.... there are more reasons to leave it behind than to bring it.
            It's heavy.
            Does not have more than one purpose.

            If you have it there is more likely to be a fatality... or accident at least.

            Conceptually... let's think of a hammer... it's a very violent image/symbol ...
            It's not as bad as fighting thoughts... but close

            the way you define your environment has something to do with the way your trip goes...
            a gun represents fighting thoughts.

            I don't want to go there.

            Backpacking is a peaceful ... meditative thing for me... I've never had even the slightest reason for a firearm.
            • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

              Sun, January 13, 2008 - 3:01 PM
              People's Bugbears are their worst are enermy, If smokey Bear tell someone there is a pack of wild dogs with baseball bats take 50bucks in dog biskets for mugging money just in case..firearms are more likely to course to self harm their presents intimidates ( I know past comments been that these are lugged in backpack so forth) it renders them useless if needed. In Papa I was issued a .38 if the locals got narcie I took the shells out , if locals whom out numbered us more than10to1 where pissed off about something the pistol would just get us killed. I would be happier to take $50AUS in fivers to please them. We where there to keep the peace and we did other than waving the pistols around. Cap spray is useful deterrent to animals in the case of rare attack or better starter cap or metal dinner plate hit with a stick. Dont feed the animals they will not feed on you. Fear is not training regardless of drawing a pistol, hire a bodyguard and tell them how much fear there is of the world. Public camp sites piss me off to no ends but give myself the option to be there or else where..Lighten up gun totters other parts of the world more threatening than the U.S
              • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

                Sun, January 13, 2008 - 4:14 PM
                The word "assault"
                takes it's coinage from the etymology "insult"

                The dangerous... and most frustrating part about violence... is when it ... changes your life against your will...
                When the Georgia Hiker incident happened...
                the most dangerous aspect of it ... is that it could effect MORE violence.

                Part of that violence... would be assenting to fear.
                feeling less of a person...
                psychically insulted.

                When you give in to that....
                the murderer has won.
  • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

    Sun, January 13, 2008 - 12:49 AM
    First, I have to admit, I don't camp out far far out in the woods, but the sissy car camping and what not.

    How do I keep safe camping? Simple, a gun. Yep, I keep a Sig 239 .40 cal tucked a secret place that I can get to while hiking. Yes, it's illegal, but you know what, I don't care. I would rather get arrested than find myself off somewhere, where I really need it.
    • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

      Thu, January 17, 2008 - 1:55 PM
      I was a victim of a violent crime when I was a kid (luckily my family survived intact) and it made me realize that sometimes you really have to seriously fight back to stay alive. You may even need to kill someone if they're posing a serious enough threat to you. I can't give you a great set of guidelines for when it's okay to fuck somebody up in self defense, but if that time comes (hopefully it NEVER EVER will), and you have the chance (usually serial killers don't give you that chance), then you have to do it! If Ms. Emerson had the chance, and ended up breaking that asshole's neck and killing him, then this would be a much better story.

      As long as you're here you might as well think about how far you're willing to go to protect yourself against a depraved vicious motherfucker like Gary Michael Hilton. At what point in the encounter is it time to actually strike back and possibly kill the person? Can you do that without getting killed yourself?
      • Re: That Georgia hiker, and personal safety

        Fri, January 18, 2008 - 5:40 PM
        Ted,
        very sorry to hear about your experience. glad that your family remained intact.
        you bring up a good point. having self-defense skills or survival education doesn't really prepare someone for that kind of horror. we can try to mentally address that with ourselves: how far we feel we could go, if we could commit to fatal or near fatal damage to another person, what the emotional fallout would be afterward, or what kind of physical and emotional position we'd be in if we didn't, if we have the mental and emotional fortitude to pull ourselves together in that kind of situation.

        some people have a stronger, more violent survival instinct than others. some people have been socially conditioned by peers, family, gender or cultural roles to react more passively. and each person has their own breakdown point that renders them unable to react when needed. I think we can try to acknowledge those issues, but when it comes down to it we can just hope that (a) we never need to find out and (b) we can follow through if ever presented with a life or death situation. or even a severely violent situation.
        • Hilton made a movie about killing hikers in 1995

          Fri, March 14, 2008 - 4:35 PM
          www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/0...ie/index.html

          When attorney-turned-movie producer Samuel Rael decided he wanted to make a film about a serial killer in 1995, it was former legal client Gary Michael Hilton who he says came up with the plot.


          Gary Hilton, left, and Samuel Rael in an undated photo given to CNN by Rael.

          Rael's adviser was the same Gary Hilton who confessed in January to killing 24-year-old Meredith Emerson in the North Georgia mountains and is the prime suspect in the killings of a Florida woman and a North Carolina couple.

          Rael claims Hilton thought it would be a good idea to have the killer be out in the woods.

          "Go ahead and let some beautiful women out in the woods, and then they could be hunted down like prey," Rael says Hilton told him. Watch Rael tell his disturbing account ยป

          Rael was shocked when he discovered that Hilton had been arrested and had confessed to Emerson's murder. Quickly, investigators hinted that Hilton might be a serial killer, linking him to three murders in two other states.

          In all three, the bodies were dumped in the woods.

          "He was a criminal," Rael said. "And he'd be the first to admit it. He might have been a sociopath, but he was a happy one and an animated one. One who, quite frankly, I never would have thought in a million years. ... Well, he had criminal instincts, but he was not a violent person. I was wrong about that."

          The movie Rael and Hilton worked on was released straight to video. It was called "Deadly Run."

          "I don't know if I came up with the 'run' and he came up with the 'deadly,' but somehow, as with all the film, he collaborated and helped me figure out what to do," Rael says.

          It was Hilton, according to Rael, who found one of the film's prime shooting locations: a cabin in the mountains of North Georgia near the town of Cleveland. In the movie, the killer held women captive in the cabin.

          Emerson's mutilated body was discovered in the woods 13 years later, 30 miles southwest of that location. She had been held captive for three days before Hilton killed her.

          Hilton led investigators to where he had dumped her body, reportedly in exchange for prosecutors taking the death penalty off the table.

          The similarities are haunting to Rael.

          "To me, it's almost word for word. That's what was really scary about it," the filmmaker says.

          Rael met Hilton in the mid-80s. Hilton hired Rael as his attorney when he was busted for trespassing on Atlanta city property. He was one of Rael's first legal clients.

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          Rael says he defended him on several charges over the years, including arson and false solicitation of charitable donations. The pair began to socialize more, Rael says, as he helped Hilton through his many legal battles.

          Then in 1995, when Rael decided he wanted to make movies, his friend and client seemed to have plenty of ideas.

          "He was involved as a consultant from the beginning to the middle to the end and associated with the film," Rael said.

          Hilton picked the cast and other movie workers.

          Rael thought of Hilton as extremely creative. "I saw him as a really interesting guy with a screw loose. I knew that, too."

          Hilton never received credits on the film because he wanted to be paid, Rael says. It was a low-budget feature, and Rael said he didn't pay many of the people who helped.

          Rael recalled Hilton as a dog lover and outdoorsman.

          "Gary almost lived outdoors," he said. "He'd come around to my house and take a shower."

          At the time, Hilton was living in a storage space in Atlanta. Several pictures taken by Rael show a smiling Hilton, dressed in hiking clothes, appearing tan and fit.

          Before a recent jail visit, Rael hadn't seen Hilton since 1995.

          He says there wasn't a fallout between them: "I went on my way, he went on his."

          The filmmaker said that two days after Hilton's arrest, he visited his former client in the Dawson County jail in Georgia. Hilton was surrounded by investigators, and Rael says they didn't do much more than exchange pleasantries.

          "He said 'hello' and thanked me for coming by, and that was about it," Rael said.

          He wonders about Hilton's behavior when they were friends but quickly dismisses thoughts of murder during that time.

          "I sincerely doubt he was capable of doing anything like that when I knew him," he said.

          Rael says the chilling similarities between his movie and reality have not gone unnoticed. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation wants to talk to him, he said.

          GBI spokesman John Bankhead said authorities have not been able to reach Rael to question him about their relationship and Hilton's connection with the movie.

          Bankhead says they'd like to find out if any of Hilton's suggestions for the film directly match what happened in any of the cases in Georgia, North Carolina or Florida. He said Hilton, at this point, is not a suspect in any unresolved cases during the time the film was made.

          Hilton was indicted February 28 for killing Cheryl Dunlap in Florida in 2007.

          Prosecutors say the 46-year-old was kidnapped and her body was dumped in a national forest near Tallahassee.

          Investigators also suspect Hilton in the October slaying of Irene Bryant and the presumed death of her husband, John, in Transylvania County, North Carolina, said Sheriff David Mahoney. Hilton has yet to be charged in that case.


          Mahoney also said Hilton is not currently considered a suspect on any unresolved cases during the time the film was made.

          Repeated calls to Hilton's attorney were not returned.

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